My husband has often wondered also if one is disfellowshipped is it not only fair and just that all their contributions are returned to them? If this were the case disfellowshipping would surely cease?
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Based on Teel's JC thread why dont we all sue them?
by Lozhasleft inteel's thread re his jc and his lawyer's advice has made me think....why dont all of us disfellowshipped ones sue the org for defamation of character????.
imagine if we could find a lawyer who'd be prepared to start a suit against them on behalf of us all?.
any thoughts?.
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Cleaning the KH toilets - short amusing story
by Little Imp injust thought i would post something on a lighter note.. it was our group's turn to clean the kh following the sunday meeting.
an elder asked my husband to "look at the toilets", hubby went into the toilets came straight back out, said to the elder "they're still there, bye".
he then grabbed my hand and rushed me out the kh.. i think the elder was too gobsmacked to speak.. hubby said that they want obedience and to follow instructions accurately and he maintains that is exactly what he did!!.
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Just thought I would post something on a lighter note.
It was our Group's turn to clean the KH following the Sunday meeting. An Elder asked my husband to "look at the toilets", hubby went into the toilets came straight back out, said to the Elder "they're still there, bye". He then grabbed my hand and rushed me out the KH.
I think the Elder was too gobsmacked to speak.
Hubby said that they want obedience and to follow instructions accurately and he maintains that is exactly what he did!!
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Don't leave, its God's organization....
by dissed inrecently, i've been seeing this argument displayed here more frequently by those still believing jw's.. usually in reply to arguments they can not answer well, like 1914, generation(s), etc.... its almost like, they are are having serious doubts as well, but their fall back is, "but its god organization....where else would you go......don't leave, we are so close to the end".
as one recently shared their experience with a jc.
the elders, when feeling trapped on explanations, fell back to this defense.
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Well, the point is I am sure many JWs have doubts but are not strong enough to do anything about it and when they hear something like "Don't leave, it's God's Organisation" is perhaps enough just to keep them attending. It somehow strikes a cord UNLESS..... you think more deeply about it. How can a group of self-appointed men possibly be God's Organisation? On this basis any group of people can band together and say they are God's Organisation - there is nothing more to it than that.
I think this allied to the fact that many have lots of family members and friends within the Organisation which keeps them in and we were constantly told to beware of others trying to stumble us, even within the KH. This has served to keep people separate and apart from discussing anything - this is what keeps the numbers up.
When one looks at the numbers again they are frightened to leave believing that so many people cannot be wrong.
However, we all know from this site that many may be attending the KH for their own personal reasons but that they no longer believe the lies.
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"New Generation Teaching Proves How Close the End Is"
by Sour Grapes inrecently a circuit overseer said in one of his talks that the new light.
on the generation teaching shows how very close the end is because.
there will be a time when the over lap will end.
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What I could never understand was why they were always concerned about Armageddon "just being round the corner".
The way I see it is that the bible is very clear on the fact that no-one knows when it will happen and it will come when no-one is expecting it. Surely, if the JWs are always expecting it - it won't happen.
Furthermore, if one lives a good Christian life, i.e. treat others how you would wish to be treated etc. etc. what does it matter when it happens, you are in good standing in any event.
Surely, the whole purpose of no-one knowing is so that people always live a good a caring life and not just turn it on to get through Armageddon.
These are just some thoughts I had on Armageddon.
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Questions to ask yourself about Jehovahs Witnesses
by sabastious inquestions to ask yourself about jehovahs witnesses.
why are the watchtower society leaders kept behind a curtain?
why cant the average witness name their leaders?
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Cantleave was for MadJW, sorry for not making it clear.
MadJW - I have to say that most of what you say certainly didn't relate to any of the churches I have attended. That said, naturally I have not attended them all so cannot speak for those.
I did notice that at the meetings in the talks when slandering other religions the speaker used to say such things as though they related to all religions so I merely mention this so that you know that it is just not true. Like me, I am sure you wish to be accurate in your knowledge of other faiths. Therefore, those listening may well believe that it is true of all religions when factually it is not.
Blessings.
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Questions to ask yourself about Jehovahs Witnesses
by sabastious inquestions to ask yourself about jehovahs witnesses.
why are the watchtower society leaders kept behind a curtain?
why cant the average witness name their leaders?
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I am not saying that churches get it right all the time - no-one does. It is just that sometimes JWs seem to make statements about churches that are factually incorrect. My point is that if one lives a good, honourable life, treating and speaking to others how they themself would like to be treated none of us would be far off the mark. Sometimes one can become involved in nit picking over every little word and forgetting to behave to others how a good Christian should behave. Varying translations and how language has evolved over the years makes interesting theological debate but it should not take over one's life so that the core of Christianity is forgotten. After it is impossible for anyone to get it right. I didn't say God makes mistakes I said that he DIDN'T make mistakes. For example, IF the GB is inspired by God as his direct channel then they wouldn't make mistakes as God doesn't. My apologies for not being clear.
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Questions to ask yourself about Jehovahs Witnesses
by sabastious inquestions to ask yourself about jehovahs witnesses.
why are the watchtower society leaders kept behind a curtain?
why cant the average witness name their leaders?
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Why are the Clergy leaders kept behind a curtain? They weren't when I went to church
Who cares if the average churchoid can name their Clergy? Perhaps not important to everyone but it should be easily possible
Why is the entire process of the conclusions that end up in church dogma secret? They weren't when I went to church
Are ideas that are tossed before they make it into Official Dogma documented? They don't preach in this way, they stick to the bible
Are the Clergy appointed by God or the Gods (Trtinity) or not? No, it is a personal calling
Why does Sanctity of Blood, a Biblical concept, take second to the saving of one's life- when REAL Christians often gave up their life to remain faithful? It's a personal choice, most parents would give up their own life to save their childs
Why don't Clergy HAVE Judicial Committees, and remove those practicing evil from their congregation? Fortunately, church congregations aren't protected by their clergy so can be dealt with by requisite legal authority
Why are the financial incomes of the Cergy kept secret? They're not, they earn a small salary and is documented the same as everyone else's salary, no hidden allowances
Why does CHURCHianity fully utilize current technology to aid in their deceptions? They don't
How can the Clergy be “Spirit Directed” while at the same time teaching contrary to Christ & scripture? They don't
Why do Churches allow very young children to be baptized? Some children are christened into their parents religion when they are too young to make a decision, however, this is followed up by confirmation when they are old enough to make their own decisions. I would think that most do not go on to make the confirmation though I am personally not aware of how many do.
Why is old dogma never replaced with new and clearer understanding of scripture? Because God doesn't make mistakes
Why is personal research rarely encouraged? It is actively encouraged and not frowned upon
Why is learning Greek and Hebrew, for the purpose of verifying their translations, discouraged? It is not
When a spiritual or physical crime is committed with only one witness, why does Churchianity do nothing? This is not the case, if someone has done wrong they have done wrong irrespective of the number of witnessesWhy is Matthew 24:34 largely ignored by CHURCHianity? It is not necessary to keep repeating this
Can it be proven that Jerusalem was destroyed in SCRIPTURE?
Does CHURCHianity have the right to validate the Faith of all the many different denominations with all their conflicting dogmas as all being "Christian" with God's Spirit?
If you can answer these questions satisfactorily for yourself then you are in the right Organization for yourself. If you cannot, then it might be time to take a look in the mirror and ask yourself if this is what you really believe in.Now, the only GOOD and no-spin question listed here was:
Why does the Watchtower refer to new teachings as “New Light” when some of this “New Light” reverts to an old teaching?
Answer: Because they are always changing their OPINION as to what the prophecies mean! God doesn't make mistakes
At the end of the day it is how you live your life, treating others as you would wish to be treated and not picking over every little word. God can read hearts and minds.
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When Was The Last Time You Went To A Meeting?
by minimus ini think it's been around 7 years for me.
and i never ever missed going or being with the "friends"..
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ex-jw-uk
by bigmac ini'm quite new to this site, & have realised some members have a union jack symbol under their avatar.
i don't.. could we have a "show of hands" from any uk members?
i've already found several by reading older posts..
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Wales, formerly Middlesex til earlier this year, welcome
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Leaving the WT the same process as joining
by gubberningbody in1. get a copy of crisis of conscience, bring it to the meetings and read it while others are reading the wt.
if you work with other jw's leave a copy on your desk at work or in school.
they may become interested.. 2. witness to everyone who is a jw as to the horrors associated with the wtbs, and the joys of leaving.. 3. if they listen, you have gained your brother.
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This thread has made me laugh so much, keep them coming in!!!
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